Java probs (geocities)

[Bobtheduck]

shorthand:

Geo not work right, java edit has wrong spacing between lines, caus misalign text/pics n ruind page since upgrade from MS Java to Sun Java... Can't edit page anymore. Help? Still works on other computer using MS Java and only stopped when upgrade to sun...

(need slp nght)

Anyone know how i can remedy this and get back to editing my webpage? "Learn HTML" or "Use fireworks" not viable options... And, frankly, just plain rude responses. Thank you.

[madphilb]

Sadly my best advice is the "rude" ones you've mentioned, though I won't be as rude as the "Upgrade your stupid browser" links that people did for non-frame users back when I used Arachne or Lynx years ago.

When I setup my GeoCities space last year I tried to use their Java editor, but it crashed out on my Mom's IE (with MS's Java client)... so I never really used it.

I'm a bit of a control freak, so I've never really used any Web authoring software, just Notepad and later added the use of Orb to automate some tasks (menus, styles, etc.)

I'm not sure what you're working on, but is there a chance that the font size was changes (enlarged) using the "Headline" functions (H1, H2, etc) instead of font changes? I had used those originally for the few pages I hacked out in the past month and found that the larger text just left lots of space between lines (compared to increasing the font size).

I think I saw some authoring software plug-ins for Firebird, but didn't look too close at them (did add a text editor to the mix though).

Could it be the code itself (not the editor)?

[Straylight]

The full Mozilla release (not Firebird) comes with some web authoring tools, and its free. I haven't had a play yet, but you may want to.

[Fsiphskilm]

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[Bobtheduck]

That's all good and fine, but you're giving me a ribbon to cover up my cancerous tumor here (metaphorically speaking, of course)... Does anyone have a clue how I can fix Java so the text isn't misaligned like that? So it has the proper spacing between lines? I mean, I find it strange that no one else has reported this problem, and it only happened when I switched to the Sun Java, because the MS Java worked fine... Are there other error reports for the Sun Java console? I was able to work on my page a bit at my brother's house, because he didn't "upgrade" to the sun version (which left open a security hole in his system) but I can't exactly go back... I would imagine that if it did that in the Geocities program, it may affect other Java Programs...

There was no font size change... If there were, it still wouldn't be different in the editor than in the final page... It's called a WYSIWYG editor for a reason. I like that because even if I did learn HTML, I wouldn't know where to place things, whereas when I was able to use the WYSIWYG editor, I just whipped it out and I don't need any features that it didn't have... Until now, because I need it to, you know, work.

Ah... It doesn't matter... I guess I'll have to give in and learn HTML, but it was so easy until that stupid sun Java Console took over...

[madphilb]

Does anyone have a clue how I can fix Java so the text isn't misaligned like that? So it has the proper spacing between lines?

1st, fixing the Java isn't an issue, it's loaded from their site... no way to "fix" it (the final product is HTML).....
2nd, have you actually saved the page and looked at it outside the editor? Does the final page look the same as in the editor?

There was no font size change... If there were, it still wouldn't be different in the editor than in the final page... It's called a WYSIWYG editor for a reason. I like that because even if I did learn HTML, I wouldn't know where to place things, whereas when I was able to use the WYSIWYG editor, I just whipped it out and I don't need any features that it didn't have... Until now, because I need it to, you know, work.

There really isn't such a thing as a WYSIWYG editor when it comes to HTML, for a couple of reasons. 1) Each system/browser will render it slightly different, very different if you use custom font styles (i.e. not everyone has Comic Sans). 2) If the WYSIWYG display isn't drawn with the same renderer you're using you have problem #1 above, even so, I've used Netscape's editor in the past (long time ago) and the final page didn't match the on-screen version.

BTW, if you weren't testing your page on a couple of different browsers/resolutions, you don't really know how the page looks to other people.

Oh, and I'll bet noone has complained because the people who are using Sun's Java aren't using IE... this could be a combination of the two.

Ah... It doesn't matter... I guess I'll have to give in and learn HTML, but it was so easy until that stupid sun Java Console took over...

A friend of mine took the time to learn to write her own pages (she had some basic HTML knowledge, but not much) after Prodigy started messing up her pages durring an "upgrade" to their page wizard system. Her new pages are 1000 times better than the old ones, both in appearance and function (and she's a grandmother with lots of kids)..... I think you can handle it, and you'll be better off in the end (not being a slave to an editor).

[Bobtheduck]

I fixed my problem, then got a new one, then fixed that one...

My "line spacing" problem was due to the fact the editor wasn't working with Sun Java, so I finally learned how to switch back to MS Java. The new problem came from the fact it was recording my spaces as lines of text that amounted to spaces, instead of actual spaces so it caused the page to go way over to the right... I can't do so many spaces, because it turns them into code... That sorta cripples me too, but I learned to live with it... So, now I'm fine... I'll probably learn HTML some day, but by that time, I don't know how many people will still be using it... HTML will be too static for most people's tastes...

[Mithrandir]

HTML will never be static. I render it out of PHP or Perl or whatever. If you want anything to look good on the web, it would be worth your while to learn HTML. At the very least, learn XML and leave the markup to the interpreter.

[Bobtheduck]

HTML will never be static. I render it out of PHP or Perl or whatever. If you want anything to look good on the web, it would be worth your while to learn HTML. At the very least, learn XML and leave the markup to the interpreter.

Just so you know, the problem is solved... But, to answer this, the thing people don't realize is everything I wanted to do, I did on that wysiwyg editor. It fulfilled my needs. It may not have gotten a good grade in a class, or attracted loads of visitors or sold any products, but that's because I was never aiming at that. I was aiming at the simple and fast placement which did exactly what I wanted it to do... I could place my pictures and text and everything faster than any person doing HTML, because I just placed it all and it was done. I didn't have the power that people who actually program in HTML had, I didn't have the absolute control that modern websites demand, but I'm not trying to make something spectacular... My website was just meant to be a beefed up Blog with my history and interests. Now that I figured out the big problems, I don't have to worry about it anymore and can just work on it... Now, the only problem is actually, you know, working on it.

Though it may involve a bit of revealing of myself I'm not sure I want to do yet (though, I suppose, if I were to go through iwith moving in with some CAA members when I finally get to Full Sail, it would have happened anyhow) I may link to my site eventually. It won't win any awards and some of you will see how incredibly amateur it is, but that's because you're seeing it outside of its purpose. If you see it as what it was supposed to be originally, it doesn't look so bad and that's what I want.

EDIT: Calling it a Blog is wrong too... It's not a website like I'm attracting people, it's just for my friends... I don't know what to call it...

[madphilb]

A Blog is a Blog even if you don't share it publically. (or at least I think it should still be).

Another thing to consider if you're basically just blogging, would be Blog. It's a free windows (and other OSes) program that generates a series of web pages from a blog database and builds the HTML for you. It includes an WYSIWYG editor, supports adding images, etc. If you can FTP you files to the server it is even supposed to upload them for you, otherwise you can configure it to dump the files into a local directory and then upload them to someplace like Geocities yourself.

The down side of the program is that there is almost no documentation on it (there is a Help file thougH)... but I think I got the setup tweaked and working. The other down side is generating the templates, it doesn't come with any sort of selection (and the default one is downright ugly, as well as having code in that doesn't work for the most generic setups). I plan on working on a template set for it, but haven't gotten to it yet (have been playing around with the idea of blogging on my Geocities site, just for my own amusement as well as my friends).

I understand what you're saying about the tool doing the job for you.... what it sounds like you're doing I ususally do with templates and Orb... which means once I've got he layout I'm not re-writing the page every time... really basic pages can be hacked out in almost no time (less time than the Java editor takes to load often times)... but to each their own.

If anyone is interested in taking a look at Block you can find it at:
http://www.farook.org/Blog.htm

Anyway... glad you got it fixed.