Mr. Hat'n'Clogs (post: 1534303) wrote:So Moretsu Pirates is my favorite show for the season.
Heck yeah.
Neane (post: 1536455) wrote:Natsume Yuujinchou Shi is by far the best anime this season.
blkmage (post: 1536576) wrote:No, I agree, if I had to choose, I'd be leaning towards Natsume.
Maokun (post: 1536624) wrote:oh? Now I'm seriously surprised. Is really a series that has been running for several years so good? I mean, I've heard only good things about it in all the past "Best Anime of the Year" where it has bested in competence other really great series time after time.
I guess I'm just not wanting to acknowledge it, since at this point getting the whole series seems to me like a ridiculous amount of time, money and/or bandwidth.
Atria35 (post: 1536636) wrote:^ That's like people asking whether LoTGH is really that good. If you've only heard good things and people vote for it over other good series, then there has to be something to it.
Actually, I wouldn't raise Nisemonogatari to "a totally different tier". It's pretty good and unlike it's predecessor actually has some animation, but it's pacing is way off, it suffers from being a sequel to Bakemonogatari rather than more Bakemonogatari(since we have to keep revisiting each girl), and it has a disturbingly large amount of fanservice with a girl whose body is that of an eight year old. In fact, of all the stuff I'm watching that's airing right now I'd say Moretsu Pirates, Natsume, and Chihayafuru are all more enjoyable and better shows than Nisemonogatari. For Natsume, it's a show that has built on itself every new season, so while the first season is pretty good, the second and third seasons are really great, and this fourth season is my favorite part of the show so far. I also want to know how -monogatari's premise is less generic than Natsume's(both are about boy who helps people with their various spirit-related problems). Natsume won't have Shinbo's crazy directing, but it's not like that's something uniquely held by -monogatari stuff, and the music/voice acting for Natsume is great, and this fourth season has pretty great animation. Natsume's focus is much different than -monogatari's, and I'd compare it more to Mushishi than anything else(but with more character growth).Maokun (post: 1536667) wrote:Yeah, I do suppose it must be "good" for the reasons you mention. It's just that for blkmage to state that it's better than Nisemonogatori... that's like a totally different tier. Also, I'm honestly surprised it apparently remains so prominently good after 4 seasons... I mean, other great series with unwavering quality start losing relevance with the pass of years as their excellence starts to be taken for granted and newer, shiny things take the main spots. For it to remain atop of the game as super new and shiny stuff like Nisemono enters the game seems almost baffling to me, especially given its rather unoriginal premise and its absence of any noteworthy production values (if I hear correctly.)
Likely I'll change my mind when (if?) I get to see it but until then my skeptic eyebrow remains firmly lodged a couple inches above its resting position.
I am pretty surprised to see you think that anything stretching beyond 26 episodes will inevitably go downhill. Natsume is based on a manga that is only twelve volumes at the moment, but if I told you that Natsume Yuujincho was an excellent manga that was twelve volumes, would you dismiss it because it's too long? Natsume actually has built on itself really well by being about the characters and watching Natsume grow more comfortable as he develops his opinions on youkai and humans and also has to get over his fairly terrible childhood.Wow, there's more material left than I initially suspected. Anyhow, as said above, I would expect that even -monogatari would lose relevance after several seasons in. That's why I'm surprised Natsume is still holding out. To my uneducated eyes is like saying that One Piece is the best anime of [insert year]
Maokun (post: 1536694) wrote:Oh... for some reason I thought that each season of Natsume was 26 episodes or more... my bad, that's much more manageable. But also, note that I wasn't really intending that a decline in quality is inevitable in a long series, but rather, a decline in popularity when compared with newer good stuff (almost regardless of degrees quality.) Then again, CAA is a fairly more educated and discerning community than most I know
As for Nisemonogatari, I disagree with you but it's clearly a difference in subjective perceptions so I'll just respect your opinion. Not to mention that I'm aware of being awfully hypocritical talking about all these things when Nisemonogatari is the only show I'm watching this season.
blkmage (post: 1536706) wrote:It really depends. For Natsume specifically, there are a few things that help it stay interesting. The obvious one is that it's more episodic. Another one is that there are sometimes really long breaks in between seasons. And it's not just that Natsume is just as good, but I think it's gotten better as it went along.
But ultimately, it's all about where the story is going. Even though Natsume is episodic, there's a lot to explore there. Natsume's really good at finding new avenues to travel in while retaining what it started out with. Where a lot of long series fail is in giving a sense of progress. That's pretty easy to do for Natsume since it's not really plot driven.
Nisemonogatari has been underwhelming precisely because it doesn't feel like it's going somewhere. It's clever and hilarious and I like watching the characters do stuff, but nothing feels like it's been of consequence. And I say this even though I know what's coming in later novels.
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